3DS rant

[YoshiInAVoid]

Ok, I've seen the 3DS and it looks pretty cool, it can play normal DS games as well as new 3D DS games that no other system can play. But first off, I want to talk about the names of the games, thier all normal games with 3D shoved on the end, like Rayman 3D. I looked through the list of 3DS games on thier website and picked out a couple just to show you: alphalt 3D, Dinosaurs 3D, Driver 3D, PES 2011 3D, Rabbids 3D, Splinter cell 3D, zElda ocarina 3D, Street fighter 3D edition, Monkey ball 3d, ridge racer 3d, resident evil 3d... And so many more! About half the titles are like this! Lets not pull off another un creative n64 game title scenario, I mean...

Air Boarder 64
Asteroids Hyper 64
Bass Hunter 64
Bomberman 64
Bomberman 64: The Second Attack
Carmageddon 64
ClayFighter 63
Destruction Derby 64
Donkey Kong 64
Doom 64
Duke Nukem 64
Excitebike 64
F1 Pole Position 64
Fifa Soccer 64
Fighting Force 64
Forsaken 64
Gex 64
Golden Nugget 64
GT 64
Harvest Moon 64
International Superstar Soccer 64
Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
Madden Football
Mario Kart 64
Mega Man 64
Micro Machines 64 Turbo
Monster Truck Madness 64
Namco Museum 64
Nuclear Strike 64
Ogre Battle 64: Person of Lordly Caliber
Paperboy 64
Pilotwings 64
Quake 64
Quest 64
Ridge Racer 64
Road Rash 64
Robotron 64
Shadowgate 64
Star Fox 64
Starcraft 64
Super Mario 64
Virtual Chess 64
Virtual Pool 64
Wave Race 64
Wipeout 64

Are just some of the titles I could find that has this problem!

The 3DS, has a fatter design and takes up tones more energy to charge than the previous moddels. It only comes in two colours which none of which I would like. And features about twice as many cameras as the DSI, which had too many cameras to start with just so as to be in 3D, which means they will either make it cost much more, or be in worse quality.



After a long time the 3D makes you dizzy, many people are just going to be like:

"Oh you dumbass, that's like saying your soldering iron gets hot after long time usage, all consoles will do that"

But the effect of 3D, I find turning off for most of the time, this is becuase the slider is impossible to possision into the right mode for your eyes to view it properly, causing it to be horrible to look at.




I also understand that it will have a virtual console to be able to play older retro games, (YEAH!!! PORTABLE SNES!!!) But this has always been a problem, old games are not the same on newer systems, or emulators, take the first 3 ninja gaiden games for the NES for example, they where great, anyone remember them? But the Ninja gaiden trillagy for SNES, which had all three games on one cart, was horrible, search youtube for reviews of it, they all agree with me. And that jump was only going from 8-bit to 16-bit, imagine 8 and 16 bit going to whatever the 3DS is!!! That would just be awful.




Another thing that pisses me off is how Nintendo will keep this system for a while, then make a lighter one, just like they did with the DS light and gameboy light, then an advanced one like the gameboy advanced, or the DSI as they DS verison was called, (probley trying to fool people it was made by apple), and then a 3DS HD one, or some other graphicall improvement.






Summery:

I own an NDSL, and it seems realistic enough for me, it also has enough games and GBA support, the 3DS however will play GBA games, but not the carts, so you will have to buy the games with points, and they wont be the original ones that you are used to.

So I see no reason to get a newer DS that plays special 3D games as well. And cost $100 more just for a couple cameras on the side. I mean... Really, if I wanted a camera, I would just buy one, it's not like I'm going to bring the 3DS on holiday and take pictures with it.





I know that many people will disagree with me, but I am sick of more and more DS upgrades, just wait for the PSP 2 and buy that insted, screw Nintendo, they arn't know they used to be anymore, and it's best they stop making games now while we still kinda like them, then wait till everyone hates them and have everyone remember them as a cheap and crappy company.












Now I have alot more to say on this subject, but I think I'll leave this post as short as possible and see what others think in the comments.

[JanMulder]

It's not this bad yoshi. I own one myself. It isn't so bad at all. It does make you a bit dizzy if you watch the 3D screen for a long time, but you shouldn't play it that much.

[WillWill56]

Another thing that pisses me off is how Nintendo will keep this system for a while, then make a lighter one, just like they did with the DS light and gameboy light, then an advanced one like the gameboy advanced, or the DSI as they DS verison was called, (probley trying to fool people it was made by apple), and then a 3DS HD one, or some other graphicall improvement.

Just some info, not actual opinion, but in a recent Iwata Asks it was confirmed that the 3DS is already as "lite" as it can be and there will not be a lighter 3DS and probably any other 3DS spinoff (besides possibly an XL unit) until the next major improvement in portable technology. I bought the 3DS because it wasn't another DS, it was a completely new made-from-scratch system besides the same shape and number of screens.

I own an NDSL, and it seems realistic enough for me

Also the 3DS could be more powerful than a Gamecube and some rumours put it ahead of the Wii (especially in terms of RAM). The rumours say a screen-shot was leaked of a 3DS in debug mode displaying "96MB RAM ..." and the Wii apparently has 24MB. I've seen what the 3D processor is capable of, it looks just as good in 2D as it does in 3D, especially when fishing in AR cards. The fish are smooth and textured, they have a wet shine that moves with ambient light and bends according to features on their skin. I also just like fishing using the 3DS full stop (the free-fishing mode). Day-time, night-time, rain, snow, UFOs, cheep cheeps, those funny camera men from Super Mario 64 coming to steal my fish... I play free-fishing too much, don't I?

Also, I don't get any side effects from the 3D, even after using it for a long time turned up to full. I regularly practice getting that sweet spot to make the 3D more awesome, a bit closer, rotate left, twist right, tilt down, ARGHH!!! It is fairly easy to see the 3D effect in general, I even figured out how to see 3D from the side (think: those holograms where the animation repeats if viewed from too far to the side). Later 3DS cartridges will have almost the same capacity as dual-layer DVDs (up to and including 8GB) allowing for much more content in games. I'm interested as to what developers will use this for (3D cart-based feature-length movies?).

Overall: I've got one, and who would be without launch titles that used "Game Title <Platform>"? At least Kingdom Hearts 3D has the excuse "Dream Drop Distance", and are you forgetting Pilot Wings Resort, Steel Diver, Nintendogs + cats? More creative non-3D titles will come out later, as most DS games stopped being "Game Title DS" after a while.

[YoshiInAVoid]

Lol, I was sorta in an angry mood when I wrote this, (blown a fuse in my snes, but can fix it now http://www.mmmonkey.co.uk/console/ninte ... s-fuse.htm ) anyway, don't take this seriously anymore, I think the 3DS is great now.

But what I said about the virtual console still stands. You can't keep ripping off original games Nintendo!

This can be locked since almost all the info I wrote I just made up, and is complete crap.

[mangopearandapples]

Hey Yoshi, I thought you were gone?

Jan showed me what the 3DS 3D is like on a Youtube video.
It's something like cross eyed 3D where you put two images together except the 3DS does that for you.
Crossing your eyes too long will cause headaches but does the 3DS do that?

96MB RAM is almost as much as my laptop...
3D 3D games (Games which use 3D graphics in the 3DS screen) would be incredibly cool.
I want to see what Paper Mario in 3D would be like too.

[dereklarue]

I think ill wait for the 3ds XL, I really enjoy the larger screens on my DSIXL. Not to sure if I like how they made the top screen larger than the bottom screen on the 3ds.
Or should i wait for a 4ds that would shoot mist at you when a squirtle uses water gun on you.. GO POKEMON. (kinda like those 4D movies, and yes I am being unrealistic)
...or should i wait for the PSP2...
lol?

[WillWill56]

The Virtual Console does seem a bit overrated and useless, paying for games you could probably find lying around in your house somewhere for free. This is more likely in my house as I have a video games collection, for example I have 3 SNESs, so Virtual Console is rather pointless unless they actually work on improving graphics, sound, gameplay etc. of the game to suit the platform it's on, then it's not Virtual Console, it's a port.

[Bobbyloujo]

96MB RAM is almost as much as my laptop...

No offense but, you laptop must be pretty bad XD Not even a gig RAM?

At least Kingdom Hearts 3D has the excuse "Dream Drop Distance"

I'm a huge Kingdom Hearts fan and I absolutely hate that name. It just sounds sooooo dumb. I agree with Yoshi on the using 3D in the name thing. It just sounds stupid :/ HOWEVER, I'm excited to a play KH in 3D should be quite the experience :D

Or should i wait for a 4ds that would shoot mist at you when a squirtle uses water gun on you.. GO POKEMON. (kinda like those 4D movies, and yes I am being unrealistic)
...or should i wait for the PSP2...
lol?

You should look up what true 4D is. Dimensions really have nothing to do with senses at all. The just have to do with space. That reminds me... A while ago there was some guy I saw one Youtube who said that he figured out how to put the equations and what-not for 4D into a game and he was working on a game using 4D graphics... I wonder how that's going. I should try find him again. Oh and the PSP2 or the NGP or whatever you call it, that thing looks freaking sweet. I sense that that's what's going to be under my Christmas tree next Christmas

[cilein]

For headaches and the like you need to play with the slider or take a short break it seems if you're getting them. Console isn't recommended for those under 7 years of age in case it damages their eyes, I'm pretty sure thats the muscles not the nerves though. The camera and 3D looks beautiful, I took some 3D pix off one while holding a nerf gun, 'simulating' a FPS, those games will be epic when they arrive. I thought it would just be a novelty or gimmick but the 3D looks like it will be adding another innovative touch for Nintendo in original gaming concepts. They should make (if they aren't already) a 3D kinect style game for it for the front cams or a 2D one for the cam facing you. Seems like it would have been a no brainer considering the apparent enthusiasm for these on 360, and PS devices too. Maybe the lens is to small to make it feasible but I didnt think so..

The "3D" on everything is either a startup thing to reinforce the distinction between a 3DS game and a DS one, or could be a recommended Guideline by Nintendo that many developers adhere to. If I just saw "Rayman" or "Zelda Ocarina" whos to say they actually use the 3D the 3DS is famous for and not just another 2D rehash of their n64 versions? That's one of the problems advertising anything for the 3DS, you cant see the 3D unless you are already using the console

[Trenton]

Ok, I've seen the 3DS and it looks pretty cool, it can play normal DS games as well as new 3D DS games that no other system can play. But first off, I want to talk about the names of the games, thier all normal games with 3D shoved on the end, like Rayman 3D. I looked through the list of 3DS games on thier website and picked out a couple just to show you: alphalt 3D, Dinosaurs 3D, Driver 3D, PES 2011 3D, Rabbids 3D, Splinter cell 3D, zElda ocarina 3D, Street fighter 3D edition, Monkey ball 3d, ridge racer 3d, resident evil 3d... And so many more! About half the titles are like this! Lets not pull off another un creative n64 game title scenario, I mean...

*unimaginative game tiles go here*

Are just some of the titles I could find that has this problem!

I agree. I didn't like the naming for these games either. You don't see any Xbox 360 games adding "360" at the end of titles, do you?

The 3DS, has a fatter design and takes up tones more energy to charge than the previous moddels. It only comes in two colours which none of which I would like. And features about twice as many cameras as the DSI, which had too many cameras to start with just so as to be in 3D, which means they will either make it cost much more, or be in worse quality.

Wait, the cameras for the DSi already sucked. How can they be worse? I've played around with the double cameras on the back of the top screen, and when viewed in 3D, the pictures look great. The quality doesn't really need to be that good.

After a long time the 3D makes you dizzy... But the effect of 3D, I find turning off for most of the time, this is becuase the slider is impossible to possision into the right mode for your eyes to view it properly, causing it to be horrible to look at.

Flat out not true. YOU, specifically, may be dizzy after playing the 3DS for long periods of time, but I've played it for hours on end without any side effects.

Another thing that pisses me off is how Nintendo will keep this system for a while, then make a lighter one, just like they did with the DS light and gameboy light, then an advanced one like the gameboy advanced, or the DSI as they DS verison was called, (probley trying to fool people it was made by apple), and then a 3DS HD one, or some other graphicall improvement.

It's the consumer's own stupid fault for not realizing what they're buying, if they're not intelligent enough to research on the internet.

I own an NDSL, and it seems realistic enough for me, it also has enough games and GBA support, the 3DS however will play GBA games, but not the carts, so you will have to buy the games with points, and they wont be the original ones that you are used to.

So I see no reason to get a newer DS that plays special 3D games as well. And cost $100 more just for a couple cameras on the side. I mean... Really, if I wanted a camera, I would just buy one, it's not like I'm going to bring the 3DS on holiday and take pictures with it.

Just because the 3DS has things available for you doesn't mean that you must use them. Nintendo doesn't have a squad of ninjas that burst through your wall to force you to take a 3D picture.

Yes, you can buy older games. This lets kids that didn't grow up with these games buy them easily, instead of having to find an old cart and an old system. The cart may even be bad (example: The clock may not work in Pokemon games).

I'm not quite sure how you think the cameras would contribute to 40% of the cost.

I know that many people will disagree with me, but I am sick of more and more DS upgrades, just wait for the PSP 2 and buy that insted, screw Nintendo, they arn't know they used to be anymore, and it's best they stop making games now while we still kinda like them, then wait till everyone hates them and have everyone remember them as a cheap and crappy company.

Yeah, I'm disagreeing with you, but I've also made this post to point out how much information here is just blatantly incorrect, like how you're saying it's just an "upgrade". It's as much as an upgrade for the DS family as the Wii was for the Game Cube.

It's best for them to stop making games while we like them.

What are you smoking? When someone wants something, someone makes it, not the other way around. Nintendo won't stop making games because people want them. I'm... I'm not even quite sure how you arrived at that point. I'm scared for your survival.

There's my rant on your rant.


EDIT:

Lol, I was sorta in an angry mood when I wrote this, (blown a fuse in my snes, but can fix it now http://www.mmmonkey.co.uk/console/ninte ... s-fuse.htm ) anyway, don't take this seriously anymore, I think the 3DS is great now.

But what I said about the virtual console still stands. You can't keep ripping off original games Nintendo!

This can be locked since almost all the info I wrote I just made up, and is complete crap.

No... then my rant is useless, except the Virtual Console bit.

[mangopearandapples]

96MB RAM is almost as much as my laptop...

No offense but, you laptop must be pretty bad XD Not even a gig RAM?

I agree, it is shti. I can't even play Half Life without it lagging every half a second.
Less than half a gig RAM.

I wanted the 3DS to experience the 3D but now I have experienced it crossing my eyes... I don't feel the excitement anymore

[Nirraic]

I wanted the 3DS to experience the 3D but now I have experienced it crossing my eyes... I don't feel the excitement anymore

i experimented with cross eyes a couple weeks ago, and i got to see a 3DS last Friday, trust me you wont be disappointed, the 3DS is on a totally different level compared to having you eyes crossed.

[YoshiInAVoid]

This topic got alot more posts on it than I thought it would.

Yeah, thanks for all your replys, I now fully understand reasons on why everything is better than I said it was.

I don't even own a 3DS so I don't know why I was saying such rubbish about it.

[James]

takes up tones more energy to charge than the previous moddels

That is because the screens are bigger and the components are better. In most cases, battery life has improved with demand from technology. E.g. a 10-year-old laptop would run for 30 seconds with hardware from today because it is so demanding; yet average battery life for any laptop has remained constant.

In a 3DS, there is not much scope for upgrading the battery. Also you cannot at all compare it to previous models. It is like comparing the PSP to the DS and directly saying one is better than the other upon battery life with 'turned on use'. The experience/hardware is different!

It only comes in two colours which none of which I would like

I agree with you there! The DS Lite had it right with silver for me. White was nice, so was black. Red/Blue/Green - really? Gold? REALLY? Nintendo. You are not Apple. You cannot make gadgets into fashion accessories. The colours are awful.

Also, I don't like the shininess of the 3DS. I think it is overall very ugly. See this:



Look at the top right, when it is closed. UGLY! Control positioning looks awkward for accessing the D-Pad. Shoulders look like they're from the 80s.

I am serious with this too. Why so many cameras, really? It seems Nintendo think that adding cameras lets them make it more expensive. (just enabling them to charge more for feature creep). Surely they must know full well that consumers play with that for 1/2 an hour? You just don't use a DS as a camera. You use an iPhone/generic mobile. In rare circumstances people have actual cameras at occasions these days.

I agree, it is shti. I can't even play Half Life without it lagging every half a second.
Less than half a gig RAM.

I believe you have 512mb of RAM, which is not less than "half a gig". 512mb is a HUGE AMOUNT. Uninstall smiley toolbars from your machine to increase performance. Stop using Windows... that will help too.

I am seriously annoyed that people need such "good" hardware. Why don't you try doing something efficiently FFS?

Here are the hardware requirements for Half-Life:

System:
Pentium-133 or equivalent
RAM:
24 MB
Video Memory:
2 MB
Hard Drive Space:
400 MB

All I can say is, WTF have you done to your machine?

[YoshiInAVoid]

I have a black DS, I didn't choose the colour as it was a birthday pressent, but I think black is what I would have gone for anyway.

As for the 3DS, the top screen's inside is always black, to help the 3D they say. Well that means if you get any other colour, it will look silly half black, so I will have to get black again!

I will wait until it has been hacked it 3DS mode and the first homebrew for it is released, and they move the D-Pad up abit!

Control positioning looks awkward for accessing the D-Pad.

I think they will realize this and re-release a 3DS Extream Control edition or somthing similer.

Also, I don't like the shininess of the 3DS. I think it is overall very ugly.

I agree, it looks like something that after a year will have all the cameras broken, and in places become sticky and yellowy abit like the snes's.

[mangopearandapples]

I agree, it is shti. I can't even play Half Life without it lagging every half a second.
Less than half a gig RAM.

I believe you have 512mb of RAM, which is not less than "half a gig". 512mb is a HUGE AMOUNT. Uninstall smiley toolbars from your machine to increase performance. Stop using Windows... that will help too.

I am seriously annoyed that people need such "good" hardware. Why don't you try doing something efficiently FFS?

Here are the hardware requirements for Half-Life:

System:
Pentium-133 or equivalent
RAM:
24 MB
Video Memory:
2 MB
Hard Drive Space:
400 MB

All I can say is, WTF have you done to your machine?

501.98MB is less than half a gigabyte.
I hate smiley toolbars. Actually, I hate all toolbars.
The only addons I have are Auto-Complete and ad-block for Opera.
I'm using Windows XP and I actually think it's fast enough.
I don't know why Half-Life lags but I can play Call of Duty 1 pretty smoothly, it's got higher system requirements as well.

[Bobbyloujo]

Honestly, James? 512 MB is a ton? Right now I'm running only Firefox and I'm using 1.66 GB of RAM. I have 4 Gigs of RAM so that's a not a problem though ANYWAY, you won't be running anything too fancy with only 512 MB. No Crysis for you

I agree completely with all of your statements about the 3DS by the way. It's ugly as heck. That freakin glossy plastic is just gonna get finger printy and gross. When I finally do get one, I'll get black. The blue color looks terrible.

[Nirraic]

The only addons I have are Auto-Complete and ad-block for Opera.

why do you need an ad-block addon for opera, it's already built in, just right click and go down to block content

[WillWill56]

(just enabling them to charge more for feature creep)

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Hang on a moment...

...

Why does that saying sound so familiar?

...

Google says that either you're well versed in interesting programming concepts, or you have some sort of pixelated addiction?

Edit: To be more on topic, the D-Pad on the 3DS isn't as hard to reach as you might think. In fact, I use it more than the slide pad due to the nice solid click I get whenever I point in a direction.

[mangopearandapples]

The only addons I have are Auto-Complete and ad-block for Opera.

why do you need an ad-block addon for opera, it's already built in, just right click and go down to block content

I meant for ads on Youtube; if you use Opera's block content thing and you need the ad to view the video, you can't watch the video at all until the ad is finished but it never even started if you block it using the Blocked Content preference. Ad-Block can just let you skip the ad.

But anyway, I think I'll buy the 3DS when more games have come out on it.