Wii Homebrew

[Taylor Ringo]

Hey, how does everyone feel about Wii Homebrew? Because I personally don't reconmend it, because I almost bricked my wii for using the wrong installation, and I paid about $500 for five wii games, controllers, and the console itself. So if anyone feels that bricking your wii is not worth it, then post here. And I know this is the DS GAME MAKER SITE, but since I signed up for the Wii Game Studio forum, it's been a week and my account still hasn`t been certified. And another thing I`ll throw on the table, is that DS Homebrew is way safer than Wii homebrew, because R4i, and Acekard2i works like a real DS game. so another thing, if you get Wii game Studio, and your Wii`s firmware is v 4.3, I reconmend Indiana Pwns, because even though your wii is still at risk, Indiana Pwns is a more safer way because the hack doesn`t do any thing to your Wii. But I feel that everyone who wants homebrew for their Wii should really consider that if you brick it, or get it permanetly bricked, then your warranty will void. Now does anyone feel that Nintendo should give us a chance to make games like them, because I`ll fight the Mario!

[James]

Wii Homebrew is good because the Wii is technically much better than the DS, so you can use anti-aliased sprites of any size (the widths and heights must be multiples of 4 and that is the only restriction).

GRRLIB is excellent.

As you point out, hacking the Wii presents the issues. I used the original Zelda Twilight hack.

[Trenton]

I don't care for Wii homebrew. My Wii is updated all of the way since I actually enjoy buying things from the Shop Channel. I've never gotten into making or playing homebrew for the Wii.

[Jason]

Wii Homebrew is good because the Wii is technically much better than the DS, so you can use anti-aliased sprites of any size (the widths and heights must be multiples of 4 and that is the only restriction).

GRRLIB is excellent.

As you point out, hacking the Wii presents the issues. I used the original Zelda Twilight hack.

HACKER! Wii's are shit-tacular anyway..

[YoshiInAVoid]

I don't have a wii nor do I wont one.

I have a ds, n64, ps2. But I have emulators for practically everyother console on my PC or DS.

EDIT:

Also own a Gameboy colour, gameboy, and a snes.

[mjsdude]

I used to own the wii. The poor graphics quality made me want to go back to my ps2. I ended up buying a 360. So I really don't care for wii homebrew. It is a good thing from a programming view since it has less limits then the ds.

[Taylor Ringo]

Well since I`ve been a nintendo fsn for about 10-12 years, I really like this idea of homebrew, but I hate the repercussions, I mean since I`ve broke all of my SEGA GENESIS MEGADRIVES, like 10 years back, I think I only play Nintendo, I mean later on tommorow I`m going to buy a new Famicom system, now don`t mistake me for a Japanese person, I just buy this and get it shipped to America(My homeland). I just wish that if you would have to get homebrew for wii, you can get it from the shop channel. And you know being an American they sell these Replicas of Famicoms for dirt cheap prices. Praise the Famicom.

[Trenton]

I don't have a wii nor do I wont one.

I have a ds, n64, ps2. But I have emulators for practically everyother console on my PC or DS.

Emulators aren't illegal, right? It's only the games?

[MasterPenguin]

Emulators themselves are not illegal. Getting games for them is illegal (and don't you dare tell me if you back it up yourself that it's legal, that's bull and I don't feel like grabbing the law.) Also, getting any bios is also illegal.

[mangopearandapples]

Emulators themselves are not illegal. Getting games for them is illegal (and don't you dare tell me if you back it up yourself that it's legal, that's bull and I don't feel like grabbing the law.) Also, getting any bios is also illegal.

In Canada there is a law that duplicating something that you already own for your own use is legal, something like that. (Said Thungbard)

[Thungbard]

Getting games for them is illegal (and don't you dare tell me if you back it up yourself that it's legal, that's bull and I don't feel like grabbing the law.) Also, getting any bios is also illegal.

I would be very interested in seeing which law you'd actually attempt to use to prove that it is illegal. Especially considering I'm Canadian and stupid American Laws don't apply to me.

In 1997, we passed a law that allows people to duplicate any copyrighted material for personal use providing we maintain ownership of the original, more specifically it's duplicate WITHOUT the permission of the creator.

Since then the government under american pressure has attempted to pass a law that would not allow you to shift the medium the copyrighted material was. For example if I owned a Cassette Tape, I couldn't transfer the music on to a CD or into an MP3, whereas currently I can as long as I don't throw away or sell the cassette tape. Anyway, the point being, the government has attempted to pass that amendment to our copyright laws 3 times in the past 10 years, none of the times has it actually passed and became law.

So at this moment in time, being a Canadian, I am by Law allowed to duplicate anything I purchase for my personal use, even if I want to purchase a DS Game and play it on a different Medium such as a PC using an Emulator.

Also with that ammendment they tried to pass, I could have be fined $500 for each piece of illegally owned copyrighted material, or $20k if I altered the material such as hacking an online game so that I can use specific items they charge extra for without me having to pay for those extras, whereas currently the most I could be sued for is the value of material I stole or caused the company in damages. So right now even if someone confiscated everything I own, the most I could be sued for is a couple hundred dollars for my outdated version of Photoshop that I no longer own the original disks for. Any roms I have I also own the game, and I don't listen to music personally so I own no MP3's.

[Trenton]

By outlawing ROMs, it's a lot easier to manage. If they make it legal if you have the original and they believe you don't have it, they have to go through the trouble of checking. It's simpler if ROMs are just illegal.

[Thungbard]

It's simpler if ROMs are just illegal.

Simpler maybe, but the reality here in the Dominion of Canada, is that it isn't illegal.

If they make it legal ...

The point being it's already legal, and always has been, nobody made it legal, it just is. they need to make it 'illegal' in order to do anything, which hasn't happened yet here, even with over 10 years of them trying. By pure nature all things are legal to begin with.

For example it was perfectly legal to kill your wife if you felt like it and she had been cheating on you. You could go around doing it all the time until they passed a law making it illegal. They don't need to make roms legal, they just need to continue to NOT make them illegal.

[MasterPenguin]

Getting games for them is illegal (and don't you dare tell me if you back it up yourself that it's legal, that's bull and I don't feel like grabbing the law.) Also, getting any bios is also illegal.

I would be very interested in seeing which law you'd actually attempt to use to prove that it is illegal. Especially considering I'm Canadian and stupid American Laws don't apply to me.

Tough one, as I was referring to Americans. I've done a brief search through the Canadian laws, and I'll show you what I found.

In 1997, we passed a law that allows people to duplicate any copyrighted material for personal use providing we maintain ownership of the original, more specifically it's duplicate WITHOUT the permission of the creator.

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Unfortunately that only applies to the following 3 cases:

(a) a musical work embodied in a sound recording,
(b) a performer’s performance of a musical work embodied in a sound recording, or
(c) a sound recording in which a musical work, or a performer’s performance of a musical work, is embodied

And that was done specifically for exactly the example you used. The law passed was specifically because people wanted to record off the radio and not be busted for copyright infringement. So, they introduced a new law to make people happy. Now, I'm really unsure on how to cite it, so here's the government's direct source: click. I suppose it's easier that way as well as you can just click my link, and not follow some seemingly-random text to get there lol.

Now, one myth debunked, let's keep moving. Canada is a country that follows the Berne Convention. For literally a hundred years Canada rejected revisions to the Berne Convention, and in 1988 it accepted the most recent revision. So, it's obvious that ROM's are copyrighted. I'm not going to dig around and find that, we'll just take it as fact. To follow along, here's a copy of the Berne Convention.

First off, Article 2. This defines what is covered.

The expression "literary and artistic works" shall include every production in the literary, scientific and artistic domain, whatever may be the mode or form of its expression, such as books, pamphlets and other writings; lectures, addresses, sermons and other works of the same nature; dramatic or dramatico-musical works; choreographic works and entertainments in dumb show; musical compositions with or without words; cinematographic works to which are assimilated works expressed by a process analogous to cinematography; works of drawing, painting, architecture, sculpture, engraving and lithography; photographic works to which are assimilated works expressed by a process analogous to photography; works of applied art; illustrations, maps, plans, sketches and three-dimensional works relative to geography, topography, architecture or science.

In essence, it's saying all the art, music, etc, is copyrighted. Everything in the game is copyrighted.

Okay. Article 11bis.

(ii) any communication to the public by wire or by rebroadcasting of the broadcast of the work, when this communication is made by an organization other than the original one; ...
... (iii) the public communication by loudspeaker or any other analogous instrument transmitting, by signs, sounds or images, the broadcast of the work. ...
... (3) In the absence of any contrary stipulation, permission granted in accordance with paragraph (1) of this Article shall not imply permission to record, by means of instruments recording sounds or images, the work broadcast. It shall, however, be a matter for legislation in the countries of the Union to determine the regulations for ephemeral recordings made by a broadcasting organization by means of its own facilities and used for its own broadcasts. The preservation of these recordings in official archives may, on the ground of their exceptional documentary character, be authorized by such legislation. ...
... (3) In the absence of any contrary stipulation, permission granted in accordance with paragraph (1) of this Article shall not imply permission to record, by means of instruments recording sounds or images, the work broadcast. It shall, however, be a matter for legislation in the countries of the Union to determine the regulations for ephemeral recordings made by a broadcasting organization by means of its own facilities and used for its own broadcasts. The preservation of these recordings in official archives may, on the ground of their exceptional documentary character, be authorized by such legislation.

Important parts are bolded. Since your ROM is covered under works, it applies to the ROMS. You have in your possession something copyrighted without owning it. Uh oh. So first off, this directly says, ROMS are illegal. Not much more to say. However, I do recall hearing a law about backups being legal when only used for archiving purposes (to prove that you own it.) And I can't find this law unfortunately, perhaps someone here could point me in the right direction.

[mangopearandapples]

Let's not go into a Law war.

[YoshiInAVoid]

You should be a lawyer.

[mangopearandapples]

You should be a lawyer.

No; he should be a prosecutor, lawyers defend the guilty people for money...

[jace]

No, I think lawyer is just a generic term. I can't quite remember what the defendant of the "criminal" is though...

[mangopearandapples]

No, I think lawyer is just a generic term. I can't quite remember what the defendant of the "criminal" is though...

A lawyer is the defendant of the accused!
The accused (person that's meant to be guilty) pays the lawyer to try and defend him/her.
But I don't want to start a discussion about this like the PE thing in C++ thread.

[Nirraic]

i just softmodded my Wii, can some people tell me some good homebrew i should download for it?